News on the Elder Scrolls 6 is apparently years away. Don’t expect any news on The Elder Scrolls 6 until—checks notes—years from now. That’s according to Bethesda Senior Vice President Pete Hines. Responding to a tweet asking for information on the next-gen game, Hines made it clear that news on the still fairly vague Starfield will come in well before anything about Elder Scrolls 6. Specifically, a fan said, “Let’s cut the s***. When can we expect some info on the Elder Scrolls 6? We need this.” To which Hines replied: “Years from now.” That is indeed some uncut s***. And we get the fan’s question, considering The Elder Scrolls 6 was revealed at E3 2018 and there have been no updates since.

Not to mention that Bethesda has already confirmed it will not host a digital replacement for its E3 conference this year. As a developer, Bethesda’s reputation has taken a hit this generation. The four games it released this gen were the divisive Fallout 4, the very poorly received Fallout 76, and two mobile games: Fallout Shelter and Elder Scrolls Blades. Bethesda could use a win, but it won’t get either of these anytime soon. There is no release date in sight for either Starfield or The Elder Scrolls 6. Of course, Bethesda has enjoyed much success publishing games like Doom, Wolfenstein, and Dishonored. No doubt, Elder Scrolls 6 will likewise be an important release when the time finally comes. In the more immediate future, Bethesda has Deathloop and Ghostwire: Tokyo both announced at E3 last year.

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